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FDA approves bacteriophage spray to enter food supply.
This is incredibly messed up. We don't have a Government any more; we have a Commodity. Who the fuck thinks it a GOOD IDEA to introduce viruses to our food?

    On Friday, August 18, 2006, the FDA approved a viral cocktail to be sprayed on foods we eat. This is the first time viruses have been approved for use as food additives. The FDA wants you to believe it will be safe to consume these viruses every day for the rest of your life with no adverse health effects. This is a monumental announcement by the FDA, indicating they are throwing all caution to the wind regarding the safety of our food supply.

    Are you willing to stand in line for a virus-laden sandwich? How do you like the idea of buying virus-infested food for your family? The first virally contaminated foods entering our food supply with the blessings of the FDA will be luncheon meat and poultry. Live viruses will be sprayed on foods such as cold cuts, sausages, hot dogs, sliced turkey,and chicken.

    At issue is the very real problem of a poor quality FDA-approved food supply that is already full of diseased and sickly animals, many of them imported from other countries. The use of antibiotics during growth and radiation during food processing is required by the fast-food animal farms owned by multi-national companies to cover up the horrendous health of the animals they wish to feed to Americans.Animals in poor health are a friendly place for bacteria to grow and prosper, especially after such meat goes to market. Rather than address the source of the problem, the FDA wants to add another adulteration into our food supply.


I'm sick of American politics (live MY way or go to hell). I'm sick of profiteering (your cow mad? Ok. $5/lb). I'm sick of consumer economy (spending protects you from terrorists!). I'm sick of unchecked markets (deregulation means I'll spend more on customer safety. Scout's honor.)
I'm sick of this new American way of life.

I want out.
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Another, more positive article:

    Also, bacteria become resistant to certain strains of bacteriophage very rapidly. That is why, in this new spray-on application for ready-to-eat meats, Intralytix scientists are using six different phage. To come up with their cocktail, the scientists collected more than 300 different strains of listeria and tested listeria-invading phage on all of them. There was no single phage that killed all strains, so the scientists designed the product so that every kind of listeria would be attacked by more than one phage.


Sure. They get resistant. Lets throw many different kinds of phage at them just to be sure. This won't create even more resistant bacteria, no. That's never happened before.... <cough MRSA cough>

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sculplady From: sculplady Date: August 28th, 2006 01:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Buy organic baby. Or grow it. The more we buy organic, and get others to, the cheaper it will eventually be.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 01:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Viruses are organic.
At least product sold in grocery stores have to label bacteriophage usage.

When did corporations and buisiness in general stop caring one iota for the American public? Is it when we stopped caring about ourselves?
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lachupacabra From: lachupacabra Date: August 28th, 2006 01:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
i just started working @ a place that makes beryllium alloys.
found out that pretty much everything on the planet
that is plastic is molded in molds made with beryllium
(which is, i think, a radioactive isotope?)
& that the molds are sprayed with some other kind
of awful toxic shit as a mold release. so no matter how
careful you are about what you eat or use on your body,
its likely being shipped in, packed in/with or somehow
touching products that have been made with beryllium.
yummy!
;(
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 01:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
What about in other countries?
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zesty_pinto From: zesty_pinto Date: August 28th, 2006 01:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

O_O

I'm honestly surprised that genomics is finally hitting the common market.

I'm not as skeptical of the stuff because I know how it works, but at the same time I'm also not sure if they performed enough long-term test effects on bacteriophages, either. As far as we know, one man's bacteria killer could become another man's new vessel for botulinism.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 01:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: O_O

This isn't genomics. Genomics is personalizing healthcare based on a an individial's genetic structure.

I'm not sure what you call this. Stupid, maybe? I see tis as a step away from genomiocs. This is applying a broad, generic solution to everyone regardless of potential impact on the individual. It's capitalism in an unregulated system, doing something exclusively for profit without consideration for the impact.

I think big business needs to consider where their business will be if they kill all their customers.
nathan_lounge From: nathan_lounge Date: August 28th, 2006 01:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm confused at your outrage.

All I took away from the article is that Science has made it possible for me to eat even more meat, all-be-it microscopic meat, in each tasty bite of my meat. Frankly I'm in support of science creating denser and more meaty meats for the good of mankind.

Yay science!

PS - "Organic" food is 80% bs: 1) there's no regulation of the term, either governmental or national (though there are some regional groups); 2) In many cases what we would consider truely "organic" is no longer a viable way of farming (kinda like how kids can't grow up anymore without certain vaccinations); 3) True organic foods tend to look and taste worse than their treated brothers (this feeds into my whole "sure we could all be eating rice paste to stay healthy, but what's the point of life?" argument).
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 02:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Normally I'd agree with you but I prefer my meat to be dead when I eat it. These viruses are alive and could, potentially, eat me back. Once you're eaten, damn it, stay eaten!

At least "organic" food generally means more natural and less chemically intensive methods of farming. I'd rather eat a cow that was eating grass or hay versus "cow feed" that includes corn and other cows.
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abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 04:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Word.

Reason cannibalism exists: deregulation.

nidea From: nidea Date: August 28th, 2006 03:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
another reason why I don't eat meat.

However, these viruses are all around us on the meats we eat already, along with plenty of bacteria. You just don't hear about that.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 03:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Though they may exist naturally, their route of introduction is anything but. Plus, if you read the second article, the spray uses six types of this virus. Thus my worry about effects, both long and short-term.

vicalis From: vicalis Date: August 28th, 2006 04:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't get it. The lines you pasted don't seem to say there's actually any problem with this virus. Not a single actual adverse effect is listed except that they may become less effective some day. It's just "virus=bad." I don't know that virus=bad. You hear about bad ones, but if this was really a threat you'd think the argument against could explain why, rather than just appealing to your nurtured fear of a buzzword. What does this virus actually do? What reason do we have to believe it might actually be dangerous?

ps: I don't know a lot about organic foods, particularly meat and dairy, but organic strawberries are insanely better than non organic, and I can only assume there are a significant number of other products this is true of.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 04:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Fucking hell. Google just ate my reply.

I'm not blanketly reacting to "viruses are bad." I'm vague insulted yuo would think I would do such a thing.

Consider the following:
How is spraying viruses on food a good idea? what will these bacteriophage do in out intestines? What will the new pressure do to listeria bacteria?

We could be fostering the development of new strains of listeria.

We could be promoting the viruses to adapt to eating human-positive bacteria in our bodies.

It isn't possible for the FDA to study this in four years. Something with such blanket approval really neds more research than four years.
smed From: smed Date: August 28th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

In layman's terms...

Just thought this was a good explanation for it... Not lobbying one direction or the other, just trying to understand :)

The phages feed on the bad bacteria – like Listeria – Listeria is a pathogenic bacteria that is able to survive at refrigerated temperatures – so if it gets past the heat treatment stages and gets into the cold processing areas it will survive and thrive – that’s where is gets dangerous. It will grow on foods that are then ready to eat ( they do not require a heat treatment before serving) – like sandwich meat, cheese, hot dogs and others. So if they can spray the foods with a bacteriophage after the heat treatment and prior to packaging they can be somewhat confident that they are producing a good product. One concern that I would have is that they should still be required to prove that the bacterial load is within safe ranges even without the phage spray – this new finding should not be a substitute for GMP’s. The other concern is the residual of the phage – but sounds like they have that covered too. Maybe they wear diapers….


So phages eat bacteria that people eat that can make us sick.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: In layman's terms...

Well, this phage in particular eats a bacteria that we ingest that may make us sick. A decent idea in theory but it assumes that the phage will remain static. The science ignores the potential for evolution in the phage's ability to eat more than just listeria bacteria when surrounded by other bacteria.

WAIT! I get it. These scientists must believe in intelligent design.
justphoenix From: justphoenix Date: August 28th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm sick of American politics (live MY way or go to hell).

But isn't that exactly what you're saying? You want tax-funded regulation of the food industry. People are forced to pay for such regulation whether they want it or not.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 06:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
How am I saying live my way? I'm saying I'm worried about introducing tis, that there wasn't enough testing. I"ve not said they're wrong and take it off the market. In fact, I think it's a clever thing for Intralytix to be trying. I just don't think people are thinking ahead.

Of course, I'm not saying I'd be unhappy If they didn't.

Something like this is potential harmful to many, many people. More care should be taken than what is seems has been taken.

I was also insinuating a more religiously oriented dogma in legislation as of late. Maybe if I capitalized "Hell."

Make sense?
justphoenix From: justphoenix Date: August 28th, 2006 06:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Here's a crazy thought: There's a decent-sized and growing organics market in this country because people don't want to use pesticides (IMHO it's pesticides vs. bacteria/parasites. Pick your poison :) Why can't there be a market for bacteriophage-free food?
abmann From: abmann Date: August 28th, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
Did I say that wasn't going to happen? I'm all for that and will be looking for these labels.

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