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Portrait of a Young Man as The Artist
I've been thinking about going against every and all drive to be an artist instincts i have and posting the unedited version of the photos I use. I feel like I'd be giving away trade secrets or something by showing the before product... or showing that I do, in fact, suck at taking pictures that I have to edit to make them worthwhile. :)

Do you guys wish to see the original photos I use?

Yes. (under a cut)

Say something nice about assfingers.

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alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 06:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
because i am a technical person (and a photographer) yes.

this actually came up over lunch today (were your ears burning?)

you've certainly got 'l33t photoshop skillz, and you're a talented photographer to boow. but i want to see you confident (?) enough to post your work without spending a lot of time photoshopping them. some basic color correction, sure, and add a border if you like, but make it about the photo and not the enhancement.

it took me a long time to get to that point, and i've long been in favor of others seeing how they do, as well. call it your next homework assignment. *grins*

none of this was meant to be offensive. i have my issues with 'digital artists' who use photoshop filters as a crutch to turn bad pictures into 'art.' (you don't do this.) i want the original image to be striking in and of itself, and sigh at people that use it as a crutch. in film, the tag is "they can solve it in post-production." no! solve it NOW! don't depend on the wonders of technology to make you look better than you are! you're a good photog, so i want to see your raw/minimally-edited photos because while i appreciate digital art (done well) in its own right, i's likes the nekkid images more.

sense making?
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Makes sense, not insulted. I posted about photos and the photographer's eye earlier but it was hidden. I'm missing some component between what my brain sees and what the camera sees.

To some extent, the photos I photoshop, I am salvaging (or "enhancing"). The photo itself is decent but not enough so that it can stand on it's own. But I also photoshop to capture a mood I think the picture contains but is muted. It is a fine line, I understand, and I struggle to believe that I'm still an acceptable artist despite the photoshopping I do. I don't photoshop everything to the point that the original photo is essentially pointless, I don't think, but rather a component to the final product - though it may not be as noticeably important.

Believe me, I'm really looking forward to the days of less photoshop per image and more me. For now, bounce between digital artist and photographer. :)

And now I've gone and impressed myself the number of pieces I have....

Make sense? Logical? I'm still and good and cool artist in spite of my lacking photographer skills? :) (Your use of "l33t photoshop skilz" wasn't derogatory, yes?)
lady_fox From: lady_fox Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ok, so seeing all those links, I really think you need to put together a gallery show or something. These are all (save a couple) REALLY GOOD! As in they're all good, and should be put somewhere that you can show them off and I can say, "yeah... I'm dating him."

Get on it, bub. ;)
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
THey're mostly cat photos. I don't think galleries really care abuot cat photos nor would I know how to go about getting together such a show.

Plus, I don't know if I have most of those in formats big enough to print. I need through my folders adn figure out what I could potentially print at photo quality.
lady_fox From: lady_fox Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Who cares if they're cat photos? They're good.

And I think you've got a better mix of subject than you think. Of the ones that I mentioned, there were only 4 cats, the rest were other things.
jeffreyp From: jeffreyp Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
coffee shops might like cat themed stuff (I think there are even a few cat themed shops) and many like to show local art.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is true and I have talked to some coffee shops. Many handle their art through outside galleries which I'd have to join in order to display there. This costs me money and seems unnecessarily complicated.

However, I just remembered a coffee shop that's opening on the east side that had an open call in the Isthmus. I'll have to try that one again.

Then there's the question if coffee shop goers actually buy the art on the walls. :)
jeffreyp From: jeffreyp Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
well, there is that. Also just getting things printed nicely large enough and framed nicely costs a small fortune as well.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have a few free prints from The Camera Co they gave me when I bought my camera, so that's not too bad. I plan on doing my own matting and framing assuming I can find good stuff, likely also to be found at The Camera Co. That'll save some money.

So yeah.. I really just need to stop being lazy.
alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
one place that 've worked with is HUE gallery on monroe street.

i don't think they have many photographers right now (only one member, and me, kind of, though i haven't displayed photog yet, just jewelry)

you could make an appointment with them. they either do consignment, or if you become a member (which involves paying a membership fee and volunteering a few hours a month) they take less of a percentage on pieces sold and also guarantee one solo show a year for member-artists. i've been meaning to join, but haven't had the funds yet.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Have they a website which I could peruse?
alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
yes, though it's not particularly informative. 9though it looks like it's gotten better recently.)


abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that site does kinda suck. :) I'll have to walk over there again some Saturday with portfolio and gets me some questions answered.
alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
i'm not sure who you'd want to talk to. i know erin dows the jewelry, but not sure who does photo.

they *were* interested in a couple of my photography ideas, so maybe a group show in the future is in order.

i'd go scope it out first, and ask for an appointment. i'm not sure if it'll be erin and rachel there on the weekend, or one of the member volunteers. (and in general, if you want in someplace, it's more professional to get an appt. than just showing up and expecting to be seen.) and scoping it out first always helps make sure it's a good fit for your work, as well!
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
You can't be professional until you sell something!!! I'm an impetuous young ragamuffin.

I never expect anything. I just show up and see what happens. :)
alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
mm, ragamuffin.

new homework assignment (start handing things in, or i'll give you an incomplete!)

go through your archive, and put together two dozen images you think are portfolio worthy. not necessarily the oens you think are cutest, but the most striking ones. we'll cull that down to ten, and you could make your first set of prints from there.

(so, unfortunately, make sure you can print at least a 5x7" at 300dpi.)
lady_fox From: lady_fox Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Specifically, I like Box Cat, Sight, Statuesque Ivy, Lightning Strikes Twice, Shaded, Curiosity, Untitled Picture, and Bridge - Elver Park.

The others, like I said, are good, but not REALLY GOOD (tm)... still good enough to include in a gallery show. :)
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think our opinions matter overall. It is the opinion of whom ever wants to put them in a show that matters. It's my job to put together a portfolio and take it around to places. That much I can do. I have little to no control over anything else. As per above comment, I don't know what I have that is printable. All the recent stuff, yes, but no idea with the older stuff.
lady_fox From: lady_fox Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 07:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
not speaking derogatorily, no. i think your photoshop skills are likely much better than my own (another push for me to make my photos better -- i can'd manipulate them as well!)

i understand the disconnect between the brain and the image. as a photographer, i think you're good and getting better. as a digital artist, i think you surpass a lot of what's out there, and it'd just be a matter of culling things for a portfolio.

the disconnect for me lessened as i took more pictures. at first, digital lets you take more pictures for less money, and you can pick that "perfect shot" out of a dozen pictures instead of two or three. then you work on your shooting ration -- more good pictures than bad. i'm around 1:4 or 1:5 right now.

as far as gallery shows go, if you want to start small, look at local coffee shops that have art on the walls. many of them, especially around state street, cycle through shows on a monthly basis or so. once you're comfortable in that forum, you aim for bigger fishbowls.

all of this is just IMHO and FWIW, of course.

also, of the images you liked to, i think the "best" (or at least most portfolio-worthy) are lightning and bizarro capitol. there were one or two others that you posted recently, as well.

also, also, i need to snag you sometime to drag you into the stacks at memorial. there's more than one spot i think you'd get a kick out of, and it'd be a fun perspective project.
abmann From: abmann Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
It took so long to understand photoshop. i quite literally played with it for hours every single night for the first year Fox and I lived in Madison. She can attest to the neglect. :)

I agree. I am getting better. Just not as qui8ckly as I'd prefer. :)

Yup yup. Need to not be so lazy. Get a portfolio together. Frame some stuff. Generally do all the stuf I need to do.

What's FWIW?

I need to retool Bizarro Capitol. I over did the adjusting. The halo looks dumb.

MMmmm stacks. I'm up for it. Where is it?
alyska From: alyska Date: August 22nd, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
rule #1: no more neglecting the fox.

B.) and hey, i'm lazy, too. i have slides made for my jewelry, and pieces "selected" for a portfolio, but i haven't gone and made lots of enlargements yet because of the expense involved.

iii.) FWIW: for what it's worth.

vier) bizarro: i might crop it in a little closer on the left as well, but i really like how it's an unexpected perspective of an image that's SO overdone around here.

V.) stacks: memorial library, on library mall, across from the historical society. you'd need to get a day pass since you aren't a UW staff/student, but they're open rather oftentimes until late, and later once the students get back next week.
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