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I've been contemplating "art" and "photography" tonight. Where does anything become art, more specifically? Take this shot for example; does it say something? Is it intesesting to view? Does it give you a grander sense of something/. Is it because the picture went from this to what you see above make it "art?" Clearly, I put some thought into how to crop it, adjusted the contrast and colors but is that enough? I mean, so what? I can edit in photoshop. Anyone can.

I'm not down on myself by any means. I'm just pondering. I spend time on these things. The best stuff generally comes from throw away pictures at which I take a second look. I see some potential to have a pretty shot and start cropping and adjusting. So... does that make it art? Eh. I like how it looks. Maybe that's enough.


Epic dinner was full of entertaining lady_foxes, people-hunting sleepingzebras and adorable evilevis. Clearly planning to meet people at the dinner was important, but I think our chosen company was paramount. Good times were had by all (I'm 99% sure). Sad we didn't get to say good night to sleepingzebras but I got an excellent hug to make up for it. :)

Night sleepingzebras! You guys rock!

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suburbaknght From: suburbaknght Date: April 29th, 2006 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Yep, that's a cutie.
abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 05:08 am (UTC) (Link)
She's cutest when not crazy. : )
lerite From: lerite Date: April 29th, 2006 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
IMHO, art is an expression that uses its medium to convey something more than the abstracted meaning of whatever symbols or standard forms it contains. So that picture there is art: your cropping made it art, as you used the medium itself--the lines of the picture--to convey more than just "there's a sleepy kitty." The depth of the meaning can determine the degree of art--so if you're not satisfied that you really said anything, you are questioning whether you've made art.

I am sad to say that I learned NONE of this from Sheri.
abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 05:09 am (UTC) (Link)
So, intending it to be and making an effort to make it art makes it art?
fiendishx From: fiendishx Date: April 29th, 2006 08:17 am (UTC) (Link)

Copied and pasted from The Works of Avi, Volume 4

Philosophy 101

If one makes the claim that "art is in the eye of the beholder", then you have just stated that everything is and always will be art to someone. Nothing can be excluded, because all I have to do is say that that thing is art, and it suddenly becomes art. Therefore this claim destroys any definition of what art might be from an extrapersonal reference. If everything is art, then the term is meaningless and therefore absolutely nothing is art. Therefore, not everything can be art in a global sense which is necessary for art to communicate ideas. There must be some sort of distinction that says that one thing is art and another thing is not otherwise the term remains completely personal and meaningless with reference to any sort of societal expressive context, much like love or herpes.

Furthermore,
1. If I put a box on my head, does it matter whether I do it because it feels good or because I think that it's some sort of abstract metaphor for human existence?
2. If you think I just like having a box on my head, and I tell you that it's an abstract metaphor for human existence, does that suddenly change things? Why?
2. If nobody has ever felt the need to eat bugs, does that mean that the first person to eat bugs is an artist?
3. If I jump off a cliff. And someone else hears about it and jumps off a cliff also. Does that make it a good idea? Does that make it a bad idea? Does it matter?
4. If I make a cast of my head and fill it with my blood and then freeze the blood to make a blood-cast of my head. Is that something special, or is it just a cast of my head that happens to use my blood? Sorry, this last one's just a potshot. ^_^

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Taken from a discussion I participated in at Ars Technica which evolved into my proving that a definition for "chair" exists.
abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 02:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Copied and pasted from The Works of Avi, Volume 4

Thanks for that, much to think about. I especially like that it makes all the "art" David Sedaris did while on drugs just a bad idea. :)

I suppose the most important matter is that I like what I make. I think it looks nice and captures so portion of the image that I wish to express.
fiendishx From: fiendishx Date: April 29th, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Copied and pasted from The Works of Avi, Volume 4

I suppose the most important matter is that I like what I make.

Bingo.

Which is actually why I'm having some trouble with this: http://silenceisdefeat.org/~fiendishx1/Doodle.png
(Done in Paint.NET, by the way. Some of the fun for this is in using a program that doesn't have all the features of Photoshop.)
I feel like I want to add something, but so far I haven't liked anything I've tried.

Maybe you've got ideas, Mr. Idea Mann.
lerite From: lerite Date: April 29th, 2006 04:17 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Copied and pasted from The Works of Avi, Volume 4

1. Yes, in many senses.
2. Yes. You've just keyed me in and allowed me to understand your art. Your art is still shallow and probably bad or pretentious, but it's art.
2. Nope.
3. This question isn't about art.
4. ...? A cast of your head that happens to use your blood sounds pretty unusual to me... I just don't get this...

You know, screw this. I hate philosophy.
fiendishx From: fiendishx Date: April 29th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Copied and pasted from The Works of Avi, Volume 4

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/2093053.stm
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,11711,1464726,00.html

The correct answers are:
1. Of course not, don't be silly. Whether or not I think it is an abstract metaphor for the meaning of life and possibly your grandmother's fried chicken is something that you can never know. Ever. Therefore the distinction between art and non-art is fundamentally impossible and thus there is either no such thing as art or everything is art. If everything is art, then nothing is art.
2. See 1. If you don't understand why, try imagining the reverse scenario (that is, You think that it's art and is extremely profound and counterpoints the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the humanity of the artist's compassionate soul, but I tell you that it's just a box on my head).
2. See 1. Some people claim that some things are art because nobody has ever thought to do them before. This was merely a response to that.
3. Not inherently, not inherently, and no it doesn't matter. It is a question about art. You just aren't familiar with all of the arguments that people can come up with ^_^. More specifically, this is about the "art movement" phenomenon.
4. Read the links if you haven't already.
lerite From: lerite Date: April 29th, 2006 04:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not necessarily, because you also have to use your medium to express something. It is possible to try and fail to create art. It is especially possible to create really bad art that doesn't say anything deeper than "I think I'm an artist!"
lerite From: lerite Date: April 29th, 2006 04:55 am (UTC) (Link)
The only reason I replied is the title of that picture, of course. :-P. I'm shallow!
abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 05:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey, whatever it takes to stir up some darn conversation about my pictures is enough for me!
From: que_emocionante Date: April 29th, 2006 05:03 am (UTC) (Link)
your paramountcy is pleasing!
abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 05:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Paramountcy? Are you looking at my boobies?
From: que_emocionante Date: April 29th, 2006 05:55 am (UTC) (Link)
hahaha!

yes, and they sure are paramount.

paramountcy is like normalcy. possessing paramountness!
fiendishx From: fiendishx Date: April 29th, 2006 07:57 am (UTC) (Link)
You could pee on a dead body and call it art, and half of the world would agree with you.

The question of what is "art" or not is a red herring. Better to ask "Is it crap? Did I just pee on a dead body and claim to have invented the next best thing since sliced bread? Can I do better? Is there actually some aesthetic merit, or is my soul just a dark pit of dark darkness?" If your work is not MORE than just a metaphor, then it's not worthwhile. Anyone can make a metaphor. It requires practice or luck to make one that isn't mundane.

And speaking of dead bodies...
http://www.poe-news.com/stories.php?poeurlid=28918
abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 02:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Copied and pasted from The Works of Avi, Volume 4

That's frightening. :| Art shouldn't smell like that. :)
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abmann From: abmann Date: April 29th, 2006 02:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I get paid on the first. I'll try to find the movie somewhere next week! And I'm on vacation from the 5th to the 10th so I'll have plenty of time to show it. :)

I wonder how hard it will be to find.
evilevi From: evilevi Date: April 29th, 2006 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
hagbard23 says he has a downloaded copy, though it would need to be played on a DVD player that plays .avi files (which he also has).

I still can't believe what a great time I had at the dinner, and it was certainly due almost entirely to hanging out with good people. I intend to post about it, but I've been making preparations for ladymeshel's birthday party all day.

As for art, I think it's mostly about showing people something in a new or at least aesthetically pleasing way. There's also an element of trying to show the viewer your particular vision of the world. A lot of that is in the way someone frames a scene, and I don't see any reason doing that with software editing is any less valid than doing it while composing the shot. In the particular example you posted, there's a lot going on with light, curve and texture composed in a deliberate way. Seeing these elements and bringing them out of the chaos of the original scene is a definite act of creation.
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