The Piecemeal Man (abmann) wrote,
The Piecemeal Man
abmann

Dear lord...

Dear Sheryl Gasser,

Please drink some water. Your gooey lip sounds make me queasy.

-ABM

Oh my frickin' lord. I'm so sick of seeing this in emails, hearing it in spoken word.

From Grammar Police
Between you and I

Come on folks, don't be so frightened of `me'. It is the appropriate word when referring to oneself as an object rather than as a subject. Aha! There we see the problem. There is no such thing as objectivity! Everything is subjective. If you think otherwise, fine! That is your subjective opinion. And if you wish to fly to the moon on wings made of wax, go ahead. There is no objective reality to interfere with your plans, only your failure to believe.

But, gratuitous slams against people who don't believe in the possibility of common understanding of a really existing external world not amenable to change by magic aside, some people have been so frightened that they would say `me' when `I' was appropriate, that they never learned when each is needed. A simple test suffices: remove the plural and see how it sounds. You'll probably see the correct answer immediately. For example, is it

`The cashier gave John and I the pizza.'

or is it

`The cashier gave John and me the pizza.'

If the choice were between `The cashier gave I the pizza.' and `The cashier gave me the pizza.', you would know which was right, wouldn't you. For a slightly harder example, is it

`Who is there?' `It's me!'

or is it

`Who is there?' `It is I!'

Compare the answers 'Me am' and 'I am' to see which is correct.

I frequently hear statements like

'Me and her went to the mall.' or
'Her and I went to the mall.'

from people who would never say 'Her went to the mall or 'Me went to the mall.'

For a discussion of the reason for this problem and some others, here is an entertaining column by Nick Clooney from The Cincinnati Post.

From Wikipedia:
An example of this phrase occurs in Shakespeare;

All debts are cleered betweene you and I...

It was also used by the Restoration playwrights. This phrase was acceptable in Tudor and Restoration England, but today, most educated people, including the authors of style manuals, would consider it ungrammatical. The principle that is cited is that prepositions always take object pronouns, and it does not matter whether the pronouns occur singly or are joined with a conjunction.

A comparison that sheds further light on the phenomenon is the following:

All debts are cleared between you and us.
All debts are cleared between you and we.

Here, the subjective case sounds clearly wrong to most writers, and is almost never used in current written English. The example suggests that "between you and I" is in fact an idiom; it has been used so frequently for so many centuries that it tends to sound fairly acceptable in comparison to "between you and me". Indeed, "between you and I", though avoided in writing, would be considered acceptable in oral use by many educated speakers.

I think that has become my most potent pet peeve.
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