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Portrait of a Young Man as The Artist
Holiday Spirit != Forcing Jesus into my shopping
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ocarina_justin From: ocarina_justin Date: November 22nd, 2005 08:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'll be honest - I really wish people would try and remember that its the thought that counts. If someone wishes me a merry christmas, I am not offended. So what if I don't celebrate christmas? Why shouldn't I still have a merry one? Would I get offended if someone wished me a happy chinese new year? No - even though I am not chinese and do not celebrate the chinese new year. The offensive thing seems to be the normative idea that everyone SHOULD (or does) celebrate Christmas. Still, I don't entirely understand why you should be offended when I wish you a Happy Channukkah (however you choose to spell it) or Kwanzaa or Chinese New Year.

Also, I'm a liberal, and a jew, and I've been a bellringer - its a lot of fun, and you're helping people. I think it is beginning to cross the line of ridiculousness to ban them from in front of Target. To me, part of the charm of the season is the bellringers. :)
abmann From: abmann Date: November 22nd, 2005 08:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wait? You're a JEW and you say Merry Christmas. Oh.. there's a special hell for you.

I agree. I'm not offended when anyone says aything like that. And I'm hoping that I didn't sound as if I were offended by any of the phrases used, rather th whole forcing cpeople to say "merry christmas" because it free speech sort of dookie.

I am more pleased when some one wishes me a Happy Ramadan which has happened a few times.

This whole things is just nuts!
kittydesade From: kittydesade Date: November 22nd, 2005 08:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
It really is. He's right that .. or at least I think he's right that most people don't get offended by a mild mannered Merry Christmas. But... at the same time, GUH. What's with all this? It wasn't like this when I was young, dammit.
ocarina_justin From: ocarina_justin Date: November 22nd, 2005 09:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
You're certainly right that insisting that people say "merry christmas" is kinda fucked up - a certainly falls into that "normative" argument above. At the same time, there is some merit to the claim, at least in a way - now hear me out. ;)

Equality is a wonderful thing. Acceptance is a wonderful thing. But there is a very insidious sort of "flattening" effect that occurs - you lose a lot of what makes life interesting and fun when you insist that teachers can't talk about halloween in class (they can't, at my fiance's school) or that people should NOT say things like "merry christmas". Even when you don't insist on such measures, creating an environment where it is "okay" to be offended by such will kind of chill all of that diversity right out of the air.

I suppose the question the right is asking is "don't we have a right to be religious outside of our homes?" - to which I respond, "yes". On the other hand, in the same way you should be allowed to express your views outside of your house, I should be allowed to express mine - even if I am Gay and in the military, for example.
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